APRIL 1988 - #16 +-------------------------------------------+ <<-----<>----->> | | | L OOOO OOOO PPPPP | A LOOP FAMILY | L O O O O P P | INTEREST GROUP | L O O O O P P | NEWSLETTER | THE L O O O O PPPPP | | L O O O O P | <<-----<>----->> | L O O O O P | | LLLLL OOOO OOOO P | Victor L. Bennison | | 2 Georgetown Drive | SSSS CCCC OOOO OOOO PPPPP | Amherst, NH 03031 | S C O O O O P P | | S C O O O O P P | <<-----<>----->> | SSS C O O O O PPPPP | | S C O O O O P | 4 issues yearly | S C O O O O P | January, April, | SSSS CCCC OOOO OOOO P | July, October | | +-------------------------------------------+ <<-----<>----->> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! EDITOR'S NOTE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's hard to believe that we've now been producing the Loop Scoop for four years. We have certainly come a long way in that time in our understanding of the origins of the Loop family. And, despite all the hard work, it sure has been a lot of fun. IT'S TIME TO RENEW YOUR SUBSCRIPTIONS - some of you already have sent in your money for the next year. They are: Frances Childs Edwin Grossnickle Charles Loop (of Wichita or Derby? Who sent check?) Lloyd and Janet Loop William H. Loop Thelma Loxton Debra Maier Bess Olson Ross Roby Fae Stromquist If you name does not appear above then please send in your renewal. Subscription rates are $15 for one year, four issues July, October, January and April. The next volume will be Numbers 17 through 20. If you are retired on a fixed income and would find the $15 to be a hardship, you may subscribe for $5, as in the past. (c) Victor L. Bennison, 1988 ****************************** ARTICLE ********************************* The Immigrants - The Family of Ludwig Lupp of Pennsylvania Victor L. Bennison [A draft of a chapter from "The Early Loop Family in America", in preparation, (c) 1988] Ludwig Lupp was the ninth of twelve children born to Johann Heinrich Lupp and Anna Elisabeth Rubsamen. His father was the schoolmaster in Marienberg parish and resided in the village of Hof. There Ludwig grew to manhood. At the age of 20 he left for America, arriving in Philadelphia on September 29, 1753 on the ship Rowand. In "Ministers of the German Reformed Congregations in Pennsylvania", the author, Hinke, states, "Shortly after his arrival Lupp settled near Strausstown, in what is now Upper Tulpehocken Township, Berks County. Here he was at first the schoolmaster of the parochial school. But, owing to the lack of duly ordained ministers, he gradually assumed all the duties of a pastor... He was one of the numerous independent ministers... as there were not enough ordained ministers to supply all the Reformed congregations." After serving the Strausstown and Bern parishes in northern Berks County for many years he moved to the next county west, and served many parishes in what were then Lancaster and Dauphin Counties, all near the town of Lebanon. Quoting further from Hinke: "During his ministry in Lebanon Lupp was on friendly terms with the Moravian pastors, with the result that we find a number of interesting references to [him] in the Hebron Diary: 1789, October 1st, was the funeral of our sainted Bro. Balthasar Orth. The Reformed pastor Lupp was also present. After the sermon I had a friendly conversation with him, to our mutual enjoyment. 1789, October 30th. I was in town and heard the Reformed pastor Lupp deliver a funeral sermon. I rejoiced over his evangelical discourse, since he is at other times a legalistically pious man, who attacks sins and evils with the thundering words of the law, which may result in shocks, but in the end the sheep that go astray are not sufficiently directed to the source of healing and life. 1791, June 11th. I went to town, because the Reformed pastor Lupp had requested me to be present at the presentation of the hildren, whom he confirmed today and who attended the Lord's Supper for the first time. At first there was a preparatory sermon, and then the fifty children were each twice asked to answer questions of their catechism. There was at this important transaction in the whole church a continued weeping and the young hearts were deeply touched. It lasted about six hours until it was all over. I took hearty leave from the minister and was grateful I had come." Hinke further states: "This is one of the few records of a confirmation service that has come down from the eighteenth century. Ludwig Lupp married three times. Omer Loop believed that Ludwig first wife's name was Mary Ann Spade. Her name was probably Anna Maria Spat (Spade in German) as Spat's appear as sponsors in several of the baptismal records for Ludwig's children. We have not found a marriage record for his first marriage in Germany. He may have married outside of Marienberg parish or he may not have married until reaching America. We know nothing about his second wife, nor do we know by which wife or wives he had his children, though probably at least the first 5 were by his first wife as child number 5 had a Spat for a sponsor. He married his third wife, Catherine Peters, on February 1, 1796 and apparently had no children by her. His tombstone states that he had 12 children, and that 5 of them survived his death in 1798. The tombstone reads: Here sleeps a grey head Ludwig Lupp Minister for 12 years in Lebanon 1733, he was born January 7, 1733 Married 3 times He had 12 children, of whom 5 survive him. He died June 28, 1798 His age 65 years, 5 mos. and 3 weeks. Hinke provides us with a tribute to Ludwig Lupp composed by Rev. Henry Wagner, one of Ludwig's successors: "He was not a man of classical education, and had not been regularly prepared for the ministry; he was, however, a well-read man, and pious servant of Christ, and much devoted in his pastoral attention to the people of his charge. It was his regular custom, in is pastoral visits, wherever he remained over night, to have the neighbors invited, in order to spend the evening with them in prayer and religious conversation. He seems to have been untiring in his pastoral labors to promote true piety and godliness among the people entrusted to his care, as a true shepherd of his flock." According to a history of Lebanon County, "his widow survived him, resided near Moravian Church about four miles from Elizabethtown where she died." There is a will recorded in Lancaster County in 1827 for a Catherine Loop, which we have not yet examined. We have christening records for 11 of Ludwig's 12 children, the first 9 born in Upper Tulpehocken, the next two in Bern Township. His first child, Catherine Lupp, was born in 1757 in Upper Tulpehocken. She married, before 1777, John Heck. His second child, Maria Barbara Lupp, was born in 1758. She married, before 1779, George Runkle. The third child of Ludwig Lupp was Christian Lupp, who was born in 1760. He married, before September 1784, to a woman named Christina or Christiana, surname unknown. Christian Lupp was assessed in Bern Township, Berks County in 1784. Christian and Christina had two children. Their first child was Christina Lupp, Jr, born about 1785. Their second child was Christian Lupp, Jr., born November 17, 1788. Christian Lupp, Sr., died near 1789. In papers dated in 1789 in York County, Christina Lupp, Jr., is given a legal guardian. In the 1790 Federal Census a Christian Lupp household is listed in Cumberland County (near Simon Lupp, another of Ludwig's sons) but in this household are listed only a male under sixteen and two females. We believe this to be widow Christina with one year old Christian, Jr., and four year old Christina, Jr. As Christina was still young when her husband died, she likely remarried. It is possible that Christian, Jr., was adopted by Christian's brother Philip. Philip listed a son Christian in his will. At any rate, Christian, Jr., removed to Virginia with many of Ludwig's descendants sometime between 1793 and 1805. Ludwig's fourth child, Elizabeth Loop, was born in 1761. We know nothing further about her. His fifth child was Philip Loop, born in 1763. He married twice, the name of his first wife is unknown. His second wife was Catherine Minga, daughter of Henry Minga. They were married in Augusta County Virginia in 1805. Philip had 10 or 11 children, five by his first wife. He died in Botetourt County, Virginia, about 1824. Ludwig's sixth child was Simon Loop, born in 1766. He married, before 1787, Mary Elizabeth Heck, who was born in Pennsylvania about 1765. They had seven children, all born in Virginia. Between 1824 and 1829 they removed to Preble County, Ohio. There he died in 1832 and she in 1837. We know very little about Ludwig's children seven through 12, they were Anna Maria, born 1767; John Conrad, born 1769; John Henry, born 1771; John, born 1773; an eleventh child, possibly another Elizabeth, born 1775; and a twelfth unknown child. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++VITAL DATA +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. Cemetery inscriptions of Delaware County, Ohio, transcribed from book at New England Historic Genealogical Society Library: Berlin Twp House Cemetery, Berlin Twp: ROUSH, Abigail wife of Martin d. Mar 12, 1845 age 34y 2m 25d ROUSH, George W. son of Martin & Abigail b. Oct 26 d. Dec 21 1829 age 2m 15d Marlborough Churchyard, Troy Twp: FELKEY, Jacob Co C 145th Reg d. June 30, 1864 age 32y 8m LOOP, Rachel C. daug of B H & E [Benjamin Harrison and Elizabeth] Aug 27, 1840 age 9m Berkshire Cemetery, Berkshire Twp: LOOP, Christian d. Sept 23 1826 ae 72y 8m [so born about 23 JAN 1754] RAUSCH, Elizabeth d. July 20, 1827 in 52nd year [so born about 1775] ROUSH, John d. Mar 21 1834 ae 58y 10m 8d [so born about 1775] FELKY, Daniel d. Sept 19, 1830 in 46th year [ so b. abt 1784] FELKY, Emmanuel, son of Daniel and Mary (sunken stone of child) LOOP, Benjamin H. d. Dec 30, 1867 aged 50y 5m 23d LOOP, Elizabeth 1820-1897 [on same stone with Benjamin] Africa Cemetery, Orange Twp: LOOP, William H. son of Peter & Mary d. Jan 7, 1854 ae 17 yrs dau. Anna M. d. May 9, 1870, ae 25y im 25d son James d. May 6, 1865 ae 10m 16d [isn't clear that these two are Loop's] Civil War diary of James Ferson, Orange Twp, Delaware County, OH: May 18, 1864: "Jim Loop & George Barnes do the cooking for the whole company." 2. Index of Civil War Pension applications at National Archives, Wash. DC: Addison W. Loop, widow Betsy C. Loop, Co C 211 PA Inf 13 SEP 1890 Invalid appl: 920527, cert:703050, filed from PA 12 MAY 1919 Widow's appl: 1141083, cert:875652, filed from PA Albert Loop, widow Barbara Loop, Co F 28 OH Inf 25 JUL 1890 Invalid appl: 856155, cert:610834, filed from KS 21 AUG 1918 Widow's appl: 1126106, cert:864579, filed from KS Alfred B. Loop, widow Martha K. Loop, Co E 58 PA Inf 6 MAR 1890 Invalid appl: 348001, cert:265893, filed from 20 AUG 1913 Widow's appl: 1013171, cert:773889, filed from WA Arnold Loop, Jr., Co H 2 US Art 13 JUL 1914 Invalid appl: 1415432, cert:A 1-11-28, filed from NJ Remark: C2353437 Arthur A. Loop, Co D 49 Mass Inf 23 NOV 1903 Invalid appl: 1306004, cert:1077815, filed from Mass Remark: C2518394 Benjamin F. Loop, sister Harriet Sampson, Co E, 2 Mich Inf 10 JUN 1880 Sister's appl: 273698 Charles B. Loop, widow Maria J. Loop, Maj Co B 95 Ill Inf 28 JAN 1892 Invalid appl: 1088374, cert:703050, filed from IL 25 JUL 1902 Widow's appl: 767470, cert:557585, filed from IL Charles E. Loop, Co C 3 OH Inf 8 AUG 1917 Invalid appl: 1428506, cert:A 11-8-32, filed from IN Remarks: C2347885 Charles H. Loop, Co L 158 Ind Inf 31 DEC 1923 Invalid appl: 1493488, cert:1243079, filed from IN Remarks: C2404472 Clarence V. Loop, Unass'd Co D 27 US Inf, Co A 20 & E 29 US Inf 2 JUN 1930 Invalid appl: 1663907, cert: , filed from CA Remarks: C2608545 Daniel Loop, Unass'd 85 NY Inf 11 DEC 1872 Invalid appl: 179598, cert:128148, filed from David Loop, father John Loop, Co A 79 Ill Inf 24 JUL 1890 Father's appl: 460443, cert:411654, filed from IL David Loop, widow Samantha Loop, Co B 7 MO Cav 20 APR 1883 Invalid appl: 481080, cert: , filed from IL 6 SEP 1890 Widow's appl: 438534, cert: , filed from KS David P. Loop, widow Lucy J. Loop, Co B 9 NY Cav 19 JAN 1865 Widow's appl: 79737, cert:50843 David W. Loop, widow Sally C. Loop, Co C 29 Wisc Inf 4 JAN 1881 Invalid appl: 414042, cert:238021, filed from WI 4 MAY 1891 Widow's appl: 511864, cert:333709, filed from WI Earl C. Loop, Co C 158 Ind Inf 31 JUL 1899 Invalid appl: 1232916, filed from IN Edward R. Loop, widow Minnie Loop, Co C 211 PA Inf 31 OCT 1879 Invalid appl: 319257, cert:265760, filed from 14 DEC 1931 Widow's appl: 1707742, cert: , filed from MD Remarks: xc 2646366 Edwin B[?] Loop, widow Mary S. Loop, minor Mary S. Loop, gdn Co D 140 Ill Inf 14 JUN 1897 Invalid appl: 1192680, cert:953414, filed from IL 16 MAR 1906 Widow's appl: 844001, cert: , filed from IL 26 APR 1906 Minor's appl: 847090, cert:610574, filed from IL Ephraim M. Loop, Co A 122 NY Inf 13 FEB 1880 Invalid appl: 348000, cert:212574 Ernest Loop, Co B 22 [or 27] US Inf 10 MAR 1906 Invalid appl: 1346405, filed from NY Fernando C. Loop, Co H 58 PA Inf 26 AUG 1886 Invalid appl: 583608, cert:374053 Fernando D. Loop, Co K 2 Mich Cav 3 FEB 1891 Invalid appl: 994553, cert:809501, filed from KY Francis M. Loop, widow Sarah E. Loop, Co E 14 Ind Inf, Co C 4 and Co F 5 US Arty, unass'd 6 US Cav Gen Service USA 10 JUL 1890 Invalid appl: 997267, cert: , filed from OH 21 JUL 1911 Widow's appl: 968947, cert: , filed from OH George Loop, widow Louisa B. Loop, Co A 79 Ill Inf 13 FEB 1886 Invalid appl: 562237, cert:400564, filed from 14 AUG 1922 Widow's appl: 1192956, cert:932252, filed from KS George Loop, widow Eve M. Loop, Co F 93 NY Inf 15 JUL 1890 Invalid appl: 815495, cert:833118, filed from VT 23 FEB 1894 Widow's appl: 591396, cert:408411, filed from VT George Loop, Co A 122 NY Inf 29 MAR 1869 Invalid appl: 141504, cert:98365 George D. Loop, mother Lucy J. Loop, Co B 9 NY Cav 10 OCT 1889 Mother's appl: 404582, cert: , filed from IA George L. Loop, wife Vrylina Loop, Co B 122 NY Inf, Co H 2 Bat VRC 23 JUN 1880 Widow's appl: 270288, cert:232274 George L. Loop, Co L 9 NY Cav 29 NOV 1865 Invalid appl: 96764, cert:62640 George S. Loop, Co D 8 US Cav, enlisted 1872 discharged 1877 (Indian Wars) 9 JAN 1925 Invalid appl: 20277, cert:12378, filed from OK Remarks: C2579428 George W. Loop, widow Charlotte Martin, Co K 65 NY Inf 18 JUL 1879 Widow's appl: 248566 George W. Loop, Co G 45 Ohio Inf 7 APR 1866 Invalid appl: 106121, cert:343871 George W. Loop, Cav Det 1 US Inf, Co C 1 US Inf 1 MAY 1907 Invalid appl: 1357438, filed from NY Claimant: C2857650 Harrison Loop, widow Mary J. Loop, Co C 6 Mich Cav 10 JUL 1890 Invalid appl: 803811, cert: 566568, filed from SD 24 MAR 1930 Widow's appl: 1663724, cert: A 11-11-30, filed from SD Havillah J. Loop, widow Mattie Loop, Co F 115 NY Inf 27 MAY 1880 Invalid appl: 368769, cert: 268917, filed from MI 20 AUG 1909 Widow's appl: 925825, cert: 688291, filed from MI Henry Loop, mother Nancy A. Loop, Co A 79 Ill Inf 14 DEC 1868 Mother's appl: 169077, cert: 129336 Henry Loop, widow Mary A. Loop, Co E 13 Ind Inf 1 APR 1863 Invalid appl: 16370, cert: 107146 8 OCT 1896 Widow's appl: 641598, cert: 654450, filed from IN Henry Loop, widow Matilda Loop, Co C 8 Mich Cav 22 MAY 1891 Invalid appl: 1024342, cert: 750411, filed from OK 7 SEP 1927 Widow's appl: 1590750, cert: A 6-28-29, filed from MO Henry Loop, Co A 122 NY Inf 5 SEP 1889 Invalid appl: 726418, cert: 469847, filed from NY Jacob A. Loop, widow Carrie J. Loop, Co F 75 Ohio Inf 3 AUG 1883 Invalid appl: 491542, cert: 546993, filed from MO 3 JAN 1914 Widow's appl: 1019921, cert: 773012, filed from MO James D. Loop, widow Annie B. Loop, Co A 137 & Co J 142 Ind Inf 21 MAR 1887 Invalid appl: 604396, cert: 374210, filed from IN 12 SEP 1911 Widow's appl: 971749, cert: 753844, filed from IN [to be continued] ?????????????????????????????? QUERIES ????????????????????????????????? Please send responses to queries to the Loop Scoop. I will relay them to the person asking the question. 1. Henry H. Loop was born in New York between 1827 and 1836. He does not show up in Chautauqua County until the 1855 census of that county. There he is listed as the adopted son of Nicolas Thum and his county of birth is listed as unknown. He married Luana Marsh and lived in Chautauqua County until his death in 1911. On his death certificate his father is listed as John Loop. No mother is listed. Questions: Where was he born? Who were his parents? - Vick Bennison 2. Family info indicates father of Peter H. Loop b. 1766/7 d. 1855 Sandusky Co., OH, was Peter Loop Sr. b. 1743 Schoharie, NY, d. 1843 Woodstock, IL. Other info places Peter H. as the son of Ensign Henry Loop. Has anyone found records of a Schoharie NY Peter Loop, of a Peter Loop dying or buried at Woodstock (McHenry County) IL, or a marriage record of Ensign Henry's son Peter? My Peter Loop married Rebecca Gilbert, supposedly in 1790 at Schoharie, NY, and his tombstone has Peter Loop, JR. 1766 - 1855. - Joanne Ellis 3. I am seeking the parents of Jane Loop who married Jonathan Andrus (Andrews) of New York. Their child, Polly Andrews, born 3 APR 1791, died 17 DEC 1872 at Windsor, NY, she having married Ezra Barton on 28 NOV 1808 in Broome County, NY. Is there proof that she is the daughter of Peter Loop and Couysa Springer? - Dee Merritt 4. Who were the parents of Almond Loop, where and when were they born? Did he have any brothers and sisters? Almond was born 27 FEB 1828, in New York State, where? He was married in Bradford, Penn., to Mary Melissa Moore, 22 JAN 1850. They lived in Penn., until 1865 when they moved to Manchester, Iowa. He died 27 JUN 1912. I would like to know the parents of Mary Moore, where and when they were born. Mary was born in Jamestown, New York, 6 JAN 1836 and died 23 OCT 1901 in Iowa. - Vola Carter 5. Need maiden name, date/place of birth, date/place of death of Naomi (Barlow) Loop, wife of John L. Loop. Need date/place of birth, date/place of death of Ezra Loop, son of John L. and Naomi Loop. Ezra must have died between 1870 and 1880, probably in Richardson County, Nebraska. - Virginia L. Bachofer 6. [From the New York Biographical and Genealogical Record:] LOUP - WILSON. Parents and family of Mary Lane Loup, born about 1826, who married Robert B. Wilson of Bradford, [McKean County], Pennsylvania, about 1847, moved to Illinois 1858-1860, thence to Jessup, Iowa. - Mrs. R. J. Malone +++++++++++++++++++++++ NOTES AND ANNOUNCEMENTS +++++++++++++++++++++++ 1. People have frequently pointed out that male baldness, longevity, and twins, all seem to run in the Loop family. I don't have enough data to pass judgment on the issue of baldness, though I am somewhat skeptical. Geneticists will tell you that male baldness is a trait passed from a female to her son. In other words, if a man is bald, he cannot pass his baldness to his son, but can pass the chromosome for baldness to his daughters, who can pass it to their sons. Baldness, they tell you, thus skips generations and does not follow males lines. That being said, I must confess that I've never fully believed that that is the entire picture, because I and my male Bennison line are living proof that it ain't necessarily so. Namely, myself, my father, his three brothers, my grandfather and his brother, and my great-grandfather are (or were) all bald, all from an early age. As for longevity, I don't know what geneticists say about longevity, but it at least seems reasonable that a person's genetic makeup can have a great influence on how long a person is likely to live. Again I don't have enough data, but it does seem that the Loops tended to live longer. One has to be careful with some statistics, however. When you read that the average life expectancy, say in the early 1800's was only 35 (this is a guess), you have to take into account the rather high infant mortality at the time and the deaths of mothers in childbirth. If you were to look at the life expectancy of people who made it to age, say, 30, then the picture isn't nearly so bleak. People back then got lots of exercise and generally had pretty good nutrition, most of them being farmers, even many of those who worked at other professions as well. So the answer to the question of the Loop longevity could go either way in my opinion, and I doubt we'll ever be certain. On the matter of twins I have some grave doubts. The propensity for having twins IS hereditary, but it cannot very well be passed along the male line from father to son. There are two types of twins, identical and fraternal. Identical twins come from the same egg, and are genetically the same. Fraternal twins come from two separate eggs, and are no more related than any two other siblings. Of the Loop twins, I don't have any idea how many were identical, but I do know that some were fraternal, because they were male/female pairs. I count about eight pairs of twins in the Loop family group sheets. At least two of these sets were fraternal. I read that today twins occur in about one in every 100 births. I don't know what the figure would have been for earlier times, but things were somewhat different. For example, people tended to have larger families. But if the figure were the same, then we'd expect to see eight sets of twins in 800 births. We have roughly 120 family group sheets, representing, I would guess, somewhere between six and eight births per group sheet, or, say, between 700 and 1000 births. So I don't feel that the rate of twin production in the Loop family is enough out of line with the general populace to suggest that there is any tendency in the family for producing twins. 2. Marilyn Loop writes: I very recently received a letter from Peggy Roush Corbin. She was asking questions concerning Christian Loop, ... [who] died September 23, 1826 in Delaware County, Ohio. She had found Christian's will and is determined to prove the connection between John Rouse, who is mentioned in Christian Loop's will as "my son" and Christian Loop. ... She believes that Christian Loop married a lady (widow or divorcee) with a child. If her name was previously Rouse, and Christian claimed him as a son but did not adopt him, this would explain the terminology in the will. There are fifteen years difference between the ages of John Rouse and George Loop, son of Christian, both of whom are listed as sons of Christian Loop. Peggy has found graves of Christian, John Rouse, and (according to Peggy) John's first wife, Elizabeth. The graves are all next to each other in Berkshire Cemetery, Delaware Co., Ohio. There is no wife buried next to christian. Elizabeth Rouse was still alive when Christian died, but is not mentioned in his will, so probably is not Christian's daughter. Editor's reaction: She may be right. But it's still also possible that John Roush was Christian's son-in-law. Elizabeth Roush was John Roush's wife according to a book of Delaware County Cemetery inscriptions. She died in 1827, he in 1834. Do you know if Peggy Corbin has a will for John Roush? That could help solve this. 3. Marily writes further: I have the records of Christian Loop in the Revolution in Van Rensselaer's Reg't, New York... Could this have been our Christian's war record or are you of the opinion that this is the Christian that was Capt Peter Loop's son? Answer: It's possible, but I think highly unlikely, that this is your Christian. It is, indeed, probably Capt. Peter's son. But I can't yet prove that one way or the other. I don't trust DAR lineages. Capt. Peter's son lived in New York, was a Lawyer, and disappears from the records between 1799 and the 1800 census in which his wife (widow presumably) is listed as head of household. It is pretty certain therefore, that your Christian is not Capt. Peter's son. Which Christian is the Revolutionary soldier is still uncertain. 4. Finally, Marilyn and also Bess Olson have asked if I use any genealogical software. I have never found a software package that I like, so I just keep all my data in individual files which I edit. I can have the computer search through all the family group sheets for a name or any string of characters, which I find very useful. Probably the best software for your money, however, is the PAF (Personal Ancestral File) sold by the Mormons for something like $35. I've never used it myself, though, so don't consider that a testimonial 5. I recently discovered a new cemetery inscription which gives us a new clue on one of our later arriving Loop families: Seanor's Cemetery, Hempfield Twp, Westmoreland County, PA: Henry Loop, Sr., died Feb. 11, 1832, age 46 years This is the father of Henry Loop, born 1820 in Westmoreland County. Henry, Sr., arrived in this country around 1818. His wife Martha died in 1860, age 88. Unfortunately, by the time Henry, Sr., was born, around 1786, the Loop's had disappeared from the German parishes that I have so far studied. But maybe someday we can link him in with the other German Loop's. 7. [From the Genealogical Helper, March/April, 1988, page 74: POSTE, Sandra, 303 San Antonio Way, Sacramento, CA 95819. Need the following... John THURSTON settled Claverack, NY 1767, m Mary DENNY b 1769, d before 1810. Barent DENNY of Claverack, m. Catherine LOOP. I will send Sandra copies of this Newsletter and any group sheets I have that are appropriate to her query. 8. Frances Childs: Thanks for your supportive letter. I've corrected the typos you pointed out in the family group sheet. The family group sheet gives Almond's parents, but no real proof, so we'll let Vola's query stand for a while longer. 9. Janet Loop writes that she has published her book on Capt. Peter Loop. Two Volumes. $50 plus $5 postage/handling. She has a few copies left. Her book on Ensign Henry Loop is being typed. 10. Debra (Loop) Maier wrote and sent in the picture of Admah Irwin Loop, reproduced in this issue. 11. Edwin Grossnickle has published a book called "Three Country Doctors" which chronicles the lives of three Loop's who were doctors in Cass and Carroll Counties, Indiana. These were James Clement Loop and his sons William M. Loop and Zuingless Ulrich Loop, for which I will include family group sheets in this issue based on information in this book. The book is partly fictional to give a flavor for the time. The book is a nicely bound paperback and quite reasonable in price, $9. If you are interested, write to him at: Edwin Grossnickle 2308 Crest Drive Kalamazoo, MI 49008 Edwin, I have a question for you. Where did you get the birth and death dates (1740-1822) for Peter Loop, father of Peter Loop, Jr? The parentage of Peter Loop, Jr., or Peter H. Loop, or whoever he was who married Rebecca Gilbert, has given us no end of troubles. Any information you have on that line would be of great interest. 12. Ross Roby: Thanks for your letter. Helmut did list some names of towns that the Lupps migrated to in East Prussia around 1724. Namely: Loptuballen/Plicken, jurisdiction Budwetschen; Grigalischken/Mehlkehmen Laukupohnen, jurisdiction Bredauer I think all these places have changed names. I haven't the energy to even start thinking about research in Eastern Europe, however. 13. In the vital data section I have included index card entries for Civil War pension applications. I looked through some of these records while I was at the National Archives, but did not have time to go through all the applications. If you see a Loop that you think you are related to, you can contact the nearest Archives branch and obtain a form for ordering the pension records. I think it costs $5. If you do obtain any of the records, please make copies and send them to me. I will list the rest of the index entries in the next issue.